I have several cap-and-ball revolvers, all made by Pietta. FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR WITH LIGHT WEAR VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. I took 2 quick shots at about 70 yards (yes, too far, I know) one round hit its head, the deer dropped. I now have two 58s one with a conversion (to 45 colt cartridge) cylinder from Midway that works great, and no black powder fouling. The 1858 Remington-Beals got the nod because of the top strap (previous buy didnt, Navy in .36) and it came with an extra cylinder. This was a very common happening in the field. In the case of unfinished recievers, like when you buy a flat pressed AK reciever in the mail, it becomes a firearm for the purposes of the ATF as soon as one puts the first bend in it (at least thats the criteria for a prohibited person case to be made, such as a felon) Buying a conversion cylinder would be exactly the same boat legally, as ordering up a mil spec conversion kit for a semi-auto AK, its legal to have, legal to buy, legal to sell, but completely illegal to install. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS MILD OXIDATION. We raise cattle, same thing. About 200 ft-lbs Energy I have a Pietta target model I like to take with me backpacking. You have the names confused. Red Coats Get Run Off. Serves the same purpose as putting lube over the ball as described in the article, but with less mess, and assists in proper compression with lighter loads. A home run! The Tom Selleck Western (from a Louis Lamour book) crossfire trail, the last scene has a virtual plethora of late 1800 iron in use by both the good and bad guys. I shot them for five years until I got my Colts and they worked fine. I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST BLUED BARREL SHOWS SMALL AREA OF PATINA ON LEFT ADJACENT TO RECEIVER. I have a LeMat replica, fine in every way except the rammer being a piss poor design, and the two-mode hammer not working well in shotgun position. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. Lock needs attention, hammer won't hold., s/n 346xx. The Cleanest Clean Its Ever Been! I wipe off the parts of the frame with a water dampened rag, to get fouling off the frame, hammer, and the slot in the recoil shield whre the hammer goes through to strike the cap, then use a lightly oiled rag to go over the same places! Bore and chambers in very good+ 36 Caliber; 97% blue, very good+ bore, very good+ grips, 6.58'' barrel, Pietta Remington 1858 revolver, 6 shot, 36. caliber with very good bore and chambers, slight surface corrosion in the chambers. I know! Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated. WebAN ARMI SAN MARCO pistol is currently worth an average price of $286.19 new and $274.52 used . I am planning on getting one for my Grandson and maybe one for my Granddaughter. WOW , thanks for the history , I do see parts ,lighter springs even cylinders for these guns BUT not with the ASM manufacture ,parts are crossed to gun type like "1851 navy" ,would one say theres a strong chance they would work in ASM brand "1851 navy" ? Left grip has a chip of wood missing at the pin on the back edge. Are the parts hand made/fitted, or is the manufacture generic these days? The guns worked flawlessly in stock form when I sold them. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52780, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting Oh MY when I fired the first revlver chamber flash fired the shotgun too, with a full ounce of buckshot. Remington with 40 grains. In my experience, the fit and finish of the Italian replicas is not so much who makes them as who imports them and sells them in the US. They were in a nut shell, junk. Exc condition, appears unfired. Regular gun solvents cant remove the black powder salts. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. THE BORE IS MIRROR BRIGHT WITH MINTY RIFLING 44 Caliber; 97% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, PIETTA REPRODUCTION OF A COLT MODEL 1860 ARMY PERCUSSION REVOLVER. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. Please click Accept Cookies to continue to use the site. Youre reloaded. A recruit, playing (Hopefullly with an UN-Loaded revolver!) ROFL, So nice to read about black powder stuff here. So feel free to experiment. The 1858 Remmy is my favorite gun. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. I have owned a dozen or more 1860 Army copies. Thanks. I found Uberti cap & call cylinders a drop-in fit in both Uberti and Colt 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Navies and Armies. I went out of my tent and I could barely see but there was a big ass bear looking at me about 20 feet away. Many, many thanks for making this information public. So I fire the shotgun first now, and cuss at the rammer, and have 9 chambers of wholy fun otherwise. Not to mention that shooting 58 Remington reproduction is just an absolute hoot. Lock functions well, trigger 44 Caliber; 96% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Pietta 1851 Navy .44 caliber black powder 6 shot revolver. They are cheaper to buy, but the first time you put any Hot Loads through one, the Soft Brass Frame will stretch, and youll just have a thing that LOOKS like a gun, but all you can do with it is hang it on the Living Room Wall!!!! Often the outside contour dimensions will differ at the bottom of the barrel lug at the frame, but that's not a critical thing. Treat he hammer with the same respect you treat the trigger. It is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and great fun to shoot. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester An iron-sight Hawken at whatever range you can stay on a sheet of typing paper EVERY SHOT offhand is hunting. Thanks for giving some info on the handgun side of the black powder world. This article makes me want to buy more guns! Do not try to turn a century-and-a-half old black powder design into a modern magnum. A quick look netted this info from a CAS City post: ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. Armi San Marco is out of business. This version features improved accuracy. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 Very scary as all get out. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. I called VTI. Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. Looks a lot like the Ruger. http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. The front sight was okay, except that it was frequently made of brass, wich when polished by the inside of a holster, tended to reflect glare into the shooters eyes, but the rear sight was a crude notch, filed roughly into the tip of the hammer! He carried a nickel plated 8 Remington 1858 and a peacemaker. It was Assistant District Attorney Ben Stone that shot LaHood. Brass (frame) is kinda pretty but Steel much stronger and more durable. The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. The only Armi San Marcos gun I have a repro 1858 Remington that I bought in the early 1980s and it works fine. To date I have only had two minor issues with it: - 1) the firing pin retainer had to tapped in a bit as dragged on the frame very mildly, local smith fixed that in 2 seconds. This was suggested by a good friend and serious black powder target shooter who has a couple of the 1858s. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. It was a great shooter, but unfortunately it rusted up while in storage. In the Remington Revolver, the cap is struck by the hammer, AFTER it passes through the slot in the Recoil Shield! They are both shooters and I believe they will have a blast with this next time I visit. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. Bah! When it did fire on time I could hit a coke can at 25 yards most of the time. Unless the revolvers were actualy made before Jan 1. Perfect for display and target shooting. If you look closely during that scene, you can see the metallic cartridge loading gate cut into the 1858, as well as the metallic cartridges themselves peeking out of the cylinder that Preacher grabs with his left hand. Army Generals, The Gentleman in charge of the War Appropriations Dept., and LOTS of High Ranking Army Officers! Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. with only two hands, juggle the fresh loaded cylnder onto the Arbor Pin, replace the barrel, and drive home the wedge, (Bearing in mind that ones horse might be objecting quite strenuously to all the Booms, Bangs, cracks, and the whine of Shells going past hie ears!. Perfect for display and target shooting. It's not my "go to" rifle, (that is an AWA Lightning) but now that it's been worked on, it's a nice one. I respect your opinion, but roll my eyes when you try to state that as a matter of fact when its an opinion. I lowered my ball size from .454 to 451 (pietta) and dropped my charge from 30 to 20 grains. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. Is that what i just shot down with my 5 1/2 inch 1858? Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. Despite my kill, in my opinion, its not strong enough but fun as a backup which is why I used it. The bad guy carries a Peacemaker (a bit earlier than its actual appearance, but what the hell, it aint a documentary) (Said to have claimed his last victem by shooting him twice, skinning him and nailing his hid on the livery stable door! All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. Rolling In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. THE 44-40; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 5 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it.. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. THE FRAME RETAINS 97% OF ITS CASE COLORS. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion They refused to talk with the others. Great article and comments, A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Put some lube over the ball to prevent chain fire. I have an ASM made, Cimarron marked, 1860 Richards. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52749, Lussignoli Renzo W.Parker/ London Reproduction - C53215, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top CAS, SASS, Cat: Sharpshooter
FRONT SIGHT IS MISSING. SOME PATINA ON 36 Caliber; 80% blue, fair bore, good grips, 505'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1862 POCKET NAVY REVOLVER. Some shot high except a .36 Army San Marco Colt 1851 Navy. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. 36 Caliber; 70% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1861 REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. Visit Our Site and Get Your Favorite Actors or Actresses Outfits now at the best prices. And be sure to get the correct version of conversion. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. They tell me that they inspect every gun they get and wont sell anything they dont think is high quality, and I believe it. THE FINISH IS A STRIKING IRIDESCENT CHARCOAL BLUING WITH A TINY SPECK OF RUST IN FRONT OF THE TRIGGER 45 Caliber; 94% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 11'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION "W. PARKER-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT PERCUSSION PISTOL. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . If you slip when cocking the hammer you can set a cap off. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS FRECKLING ALONG WITH LIGHT MUZZLE WEAR. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! The strong top-strap design, the ease of swapping cylinders and the safety notches are all reasons why so many modern cap-and-ball shooters still turn to Fordyce Beals design. I've been told these ASM revolvers' parts interchange with Colt 1st generation. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. Lightning Manual. 1885 High Wall Manual. Claimed copyright infringement. converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 THE BORE IS MIRROR .45 Colt; 98% blue, mint bore, near mint grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1871 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN NEAR NEW CONDITION. WOODEN STOCK IS VERY GOOD WITH LIGHT HANDLING WEAR 36 Caliber; 80% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL NAVY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION.. FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH MODERATE WEAR, SPECKLING AND LIMITED PITTING VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. WOOD 36 Caliber; 75% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Uberti 1851 Navy 6 shot .36 caliber black powder revolover. Silliness aside, I had little to no interest in black powder until I was at the range next to an older fellow firing rounds through an old muzzle loader rifle. PIETTA AND I SHOOT 30 GRAINS OF PYRODEX FFFG AND IT JUST WILL MOVE MY HAND CAN I GO A LITTLE HIGHER ON MY GRAINS I AM A FIRST TIME SHOOTER OF THE CAP AND BALL REVOLVER THINK YOU FOR YOUR TIME PAUL. Thanks in advance. All you have to do is go inside of a gun made by them and you will see how bad it is. Remington. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. It was a great pointer and very accurate. 1860 Henry Manual. I had to put down an estimated 350- 400 pound bear that can in my camp and got into it with my dog. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Grand Army /Frontier
BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH GOOD RIFLING. THE BLUING SHOWS A FEW LIGHT SCRATCES AND DINGS BUT IS VERY NICE. 1873 Rifle Manual. The heavier loads are a bitch on my wrists so Ido plinking at about 20 grains. The greatest going away gift I ever got in my 25 years in the Army was the Uberti 1873 with my name and callsign engraved on the barrel that the guys in my battalion gave me when I left command. There is some variability between brands of caps as well as manufacture of nipples. I am sure it will do for deer. While the patent date of this gun was in 1858, actual production didnt start till after 1861 or so, I think 62. Im 66 years old and I have been wanting to get a 1858black powder for a while now but because I live in Illinois I cant get no one to order me one . THE FRAME RETAINS 96% OF ITS CASE COLORS. Remington. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 1873 Rifle Manual. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. (They are still remarkably cheap in both .25 and 32-20, but good luck if you lose the magazine.) I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST ASM was so bad, even ASM parts seldom fit. You are to be congratulated in Choosing the BEST designed Black Powder Percussion revolver on the Market! Walnut stock. STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. It was stiff, clunky, and in the words of a couple of different pards, "painful to watch" me trying to use it. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. This version features improved accuracy. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. The conversion cylinder is indeed just a part, and can be bought anywhere any time any place. True for the 1873 and any other revolver deaigned to fire cartridges. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. The standard pistol primer is an 11, but if it does not fit tightly and has to be squeezed to make it stay on, you have the wrong size. The type of man who could sell Deep Freezers and electric Fans to Eskimos! I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. Swapping barrels can involve fitting the arbor to the barrel sometimes. And a .50 sabot over 100 grains of Pyrodex is a humane, instant-kill deer load out to 150 yards. In my opinion, I don t think its enough. I will probably get a short-barreled Sheriff model later this year. Ramrod present. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) -drop safety-Hammer - Z52778, A. Uberti & C. Cattleman 1873 Take that, and cross reference it the list below. It is meat harvesting, pure and simple. Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. But on my wish-they-would-make list a 5-shot .50 Old Army designed for sabot bullets and 50-grain Pydrodex pellets. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. February 24, 2015 in SASS Wire. No feeder, but a scoped .243 at 75 yards (distance to the tree line) no one calls it hunting. Lightning Manual. After the first range trip, i tore it down to the last screw and cleaned/oiled the whole thing and still wound up with some rust on it when I put it back together the next day. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 If you load it with 30 grains, you get about 200 ft-lbs energy. Not that it cant be done. Black Powder Revolver Manual. Question of the Day: Do You Worry About Unarmed Loved Ones? I have been cleaning black powder revolvers for almost 50 years. View more auctions here. I don't know whatever happened to that lawsuit or maybe it was just a rumor? New in Box-never fired. Also, using silicon-impregnated caliber-specific wads between powder and ball forecloses having to smear grease into the chamber mouth re: chain firing. That's your build date. The lead ring around the chamber seems really tight. THE BORE IS 45 Caliber; 97% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 10'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION OF A "W.MOORE-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT CAP & BALL PISTOL IN VERY GOOD OVERALL CONDITION. Just make sure that you compress the powder with the ball when you press it into the cylinder. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". Told the gunsmith I did not want a race gun, I just wanted it to work.
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