There are two things to keep track of: karma and reputation. Map marker -Completed "Booted" by saving the hostages from the Legion. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). I can't remember if Shunned reputation is enough to actually trigger a faction hostile-on-sight, though. They do shot you on sight because they are powder gangers. Reputation in Fallout: New Vegas is a measurement of how the different factions in the Mojave Wasteland perceive the player character. Fallout Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. At least one remaining brahmin was saved (+4). Seems like it would make more sense if it could have been negotiated with NCR to let Meyers be the sheriff then Meyers could deputize the other Neutral Powder gangers as his police force. I know there are missions you can get from them at the NCRCF, but I get shot on site. You see, Joe Cobb is part of a larger chain-gang called "Powder Gangers" and has a smaller gang ready to attack the town of Goodsprings. The leader Pearl predicted that one day an outsider would get past the defenses of Nellis and help connect the Boomers with the rest of the world, even if "only a little." I tend to have the same problem with the Legion as well. But I do like betraying the PGs and assaulting the prison in that one quest though. I've been able to pickpocket the key from the dude at the front gate of the prison (and enter Hidden) then go talk to the guy who would then go to Primm (forgot name) without having to fight the gang, but I did not shot any of them or fight them at Goodsprings, so default rep with them I guess, and no disguise. There will be a man sitting at one of the tables named Meyers, who can play a part in the My Kind of Town questline. This is where the NCR sent prisoners to "reform" through hard labor. For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Shunned from Mojave Outpost and Vicki and Vance Casino in Primm". You lose karma for stealing, but it's more of a personal marker. Saying Nipton "got what was coming to them" when first accepting the aforementioned quest from Vulpes (+1). The elite society only accepts the finest candidates. Should the player character approach Dawes in disguise, he will notice that they are not an actual Powder Ganger and tell them so. Fallout: New Vegas side quest Ghost Town Gunfight Powder Gangers attacking Goodsprings Location Goodsprings Given by Trudy Ringo Rewards 250 caps (100 at Goodsprings, 150 at the Crimson Caravan Company) 150 XP Goodsprings fame +12 Powder Gangers infamy +12 Factions Goodsprings Powder Gangers Related quests Run Goodsprings Run Technical Editor ID I think you'd still be able to do the quests for them at the NCRCF, and the Vault 19 Powder Gangers aren't affected by your reputation with them. If that doesn't work, I do ghost town gunfight after the NCRCF. Weird. If you talk to the guy at the door he should let you in for a hundred caps or something with a disquise. One can also then prompt further dialogue questioning Ulysses why the Marked Men are comprised of both NCR and Legion soldiers working together, despite the two sides normally being enemies, to which Ulysses will talk about how their feelings of suffering and abandonment have united both in a combined hatred. Mister Holdout will sell weapons to the player character at a discount price. This quest is pretty bad designed, I mean if you want to clean out the facility you have to play nice with the gangers first? Camp Forlorn Hope morale was not rebuilt before agreeing to stage the attack on. Maybe if they hadn't bothered to design the Prison Uniforms or hand place a bunch of empty whiskey bottles around the NCRCF facility they could have deleted the little part in the file that makes ash piles never go away, or they could have improved pathfinding for companions. In cell block B just above the outside entrance, a sign reads "cell block K Z." This is a very simple mod, all it does is make Joe Cobb and his five Powder Ganger friends associated with the Fiends. Scout Primm and learn of the NCR's plans (+1). taking the prison for the NCR or holding the prison for the Powder Gangers. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. Unless this was patched in, then no. This gives you access to a Gangers merchant before the assault and then you can wrap up Ghost Town Gunfight 75% off all statistics are made up on the spot Fighting Deathclaws when you're at LOW level <: P, I fought the law without losing reputation. Just before you enter the room with Eddie, take a hit of Turbo and try to beeline to Eddie spamming the talk button while doing that. Are there anyways i can earn fame with the powder gangers? Krystal Wilson. They only have 2 quests to gain relation with them and if you side with Goodsprings it's really hard to even do the second one (not that doing it would make them hate you much less). NCR Correctional Facility Fallout New Vegas community and everything related. Another advantage is that this mod causes less bloat, by altering less entries. Securitron J7-82463 here, under the direct authority of New Vegas' sole proprietor, Robert Edwin House. Eddie holds the key to the Average locked room, which contains a substantial stash of ammunition and explosives. Positive reputation yields the following: The military order is quite a bit demanding when it comes to establishing one's reputation with them. They disappear completely from the storyline after the opening area. When I was just shunned second time they did not turn hostile and I could talk to Eddie. gamespot.comgiantbomb.commetacritic.comfandom.comfanatical.com, Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReportAd. Several Powder Gangers mill about the yard, and several are posted at the tops of the towers. Accessing the "Squad Readiness Reports Terminal" on the front desk in the. That way you keep the bonuses of both, more or less. The community on the outskirts of the Strip has its own code, accepting to those that help, and shunning to those that do not. However, any faction that was hostile towards the Courier will remain so, despite the change. Doing Cooke's quests also nets fame, but no rank up. Negative reputation can be earned by things such as killing members of a group, being caught stealing, lying, being rude or treating people poorly, or completing quests for the opposite side. If you don't kill any you don't get vilified. Using their outfit with bad reputation doesn't work, the unnamed Powder Gangers leaves you alone, but the named ones (Dawes, Eddy, etc) will still turn hostile. Restoring a neutral reputation status (black on table above) will allow for Veronica being recruited as a companion again. Since he is not part of the Powder Ganger faction, he will not attack even if the Powder Gangers in the room become hostile. Offer additions to the Boomer school curriculum for the. Press J to jump to the feed. A negative reputation may result in negative attitudes by the citizens and higher prices when trading. Best way to do their storyline is to do it before the goodsprings quest or get everything for the people of goodsprings and have them kill the powder gangers. 5. Worsen the condition of an injured Boomer at the. The actual quest to take back the NCRCF is buried within the quests to help the Powder Gangers. Doctors All of these will be compatible with this mod. Blew up the monorail and succeeded in framing a scapegoat to secure Ronald Curtis' cover (+12). My game is unlucky enough to be severely bugged when it comes to the Powder Gangers so Im real weary now when it comes to something to do with my reputation in game. Basically the same problem I had. Inhabitants Activate the self-destruct sequence of the Hidden Valley bunker (-100). The Gangers are violent and hate the NCR with a passion. Additionally, Powder Gangers outside of the NCR Correctional Facility and the Powder Ganger camp south would originally attack them even with a neutral reputation if the player character gets too close to one, but this has been corrected in the latest patch to the game. NCR Correctional Facility If you managed to get yourself vilified, you out of luck. Camp Forlorn Hope morale was rebuilt decently before agreeing to stage the attack on Nelson with Major Polatli (+4). Map Even if the player character's reputation is neutral, if they have sided with the. [Non-game 1] Blasting their way out of the cellblock, they quickly overwhelmed what little NCR personnel was present at the site, killed the warden, and established their own rule. What's the point of being fanatical about something that's overall trivial if the attitude is going to be "Y'know, you should be as obsessive as I am as well as know and remember everything I do." Snipers form an effective perimeter around the facility. Appearances The NCR is an equal opportunities employer. Info Please present your passport. By far the easiest way is to load an earlier save. Privacy Policy. Reply. Its a bit more nuanced than that but basically if you shot them you're done, if you didn't you can bring it back. Get enough of it and they'll start to attack on sight, but wearing faction-armour will disguise you (just be aware some NPCs can see through it). Karma generally doesn't matter. They are introduced in Fallout: New Vegas as a large group of escaped convicts running amok on the I-15 highway area, harassing the small towns of Nipton, Goodsprings, and Primm. Using faction armor, it is possible to gain a higher reputation than would be possible. you can beam yourself inside the prison by using an outhouse inside (from outside) that you can see from the south part of the prison. However you will be offered truce once you will enter their camp unless your reputation with them is very bad in which case they will shoot you anyway. Think of it as wanting to get an inside "recon" of the NCRCF before joining the NCR on an assault of the prison. Fallout: New Vegas. There is no real way to fix this on consoles, apart from either restarting or reloading an earlier save, confirmed to happen on both casual and hardcore play modes. If you manage to have the Goodsprings NPCs deliver the killing blows on the Powder Gangers during the shootout then you'll only end up being Shunned. BUt that was only after I had only killed the powder gangers in good springs and a 2-3 more on the way between Primm and NCRCF. I like to do the Goodsprings side personally because Doc Mitchell is the main doctor I buy meds from. My game is unlucky enough to be severely bugged when it comes to the Powder Gangers so Im real weary now when it comes to something to do with my . Siding with the Powder Gangers in Goodsprings will get you Shunned by the NCR. Im not very far into the game but restarting would reset lots of progress. Buildings For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Can anyone help with Powder Gangers and NCR early on?". [Non-game 1][5] When the NCR occupied the Mojave, it was commandeered to house prisoners on a work-release program. If anything this taught me to save more often. He sells chems and a few odds and ends. You need to do both quests for them in order to even get a liked reputation and on the way to the prison you can't even kill the ones that attack you or you lose reputation. It is possible to pickpocket the key from him to avoid the fee. Telling Marjorie that the player "eat[s] people, too" (-1). By far the easiest way is to load an earlier save. It worked for me. Contents 1 Background 2 Interactions with the player character 2.1 Interactions overview 2.2 Other interactions 3 Combat notes 4 Inventory 5 Notable members 6 Bugs 7 Appearances Background Once the dialogue is complete, check the Pip-Boy. Cell block A contains two Powder Gangers and a few locked containers of explosives and uniforms. I think with the NCR what people are saying is right: Shunned isn't enough for them to shoot on sight. Technical Terminals and our New California Republic (formerly)Powder Gangers The faction reputation can reset at an unpredictable time. Our Fallout New Vegas Game Guide includes a walkthrough across this. However, upon equipping an NCR faction armor/clothing, there is a chance reputation will reset back to neutral again. Though not active in game, it is included for the sake of completeness. The gangers weren't even on my rep list despite being hated with goodsprings..not neutral not hated not likednothing. IS there a way to stop beig vilified from the powder gangers. The jail was understaffed. Normal jumpsuit worn with scavenged clothing and equipment from the unfortunate travelers who came across our dear friends at the correctional facility. You can loot one from Joe Cobb. Complete Andy and Charlie by passing the 60. However, after hearing his offer, choosing to ignore it will not provoke any altercation. 102. [Non-game 1][6] The inmates were tasked with maintaining a railroad alongside the Long 15 under military supervision, keeping the vital link between the Boneyard and New Vegas alive. All rights reserved. But there is something weird here. Plenty of things to do in good ol' Novac to impress the locals. Reputation in Fallout: New Vegas is a measurement of how the different factions in the Mojave Wasteland perceive the player character. The New California Republic Correctional Facility (commonly abbreviated to NCR Correctional Facility or NCRCF) and known before the war as the Jean Conservancy,[Non-game 1] was an NCR prison located southeast of Goodsprings that currently acts as the main settlement of the Powder Gangers and a staging point for raiding the local area in 2281. I do like the lore of the powder gangers a lot more than goodsprings. The first task is to "take care" of a Powder Ganger named Chavez, who Eddie believes is setting up his own crew without permission. NCR Correctional Facility appears only inFallout: New Vegas. Both types of reputation are tracked separately, the combination of which determines one's reputation with any given faction. Contents 1 Background 2 Organization 3 Relations with the outside 4 Technology 5 Interactions with the player character 5.1 Quests 5.2 Effects of player's actions 6 Members 7 Notable quotes 8 Endings All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). A locked cell contains his "stash," consisting of bottle caps in an ammo container. Performed surgery successfully by passing a 9, Reporting to Colonel Moore or Mr. House that the Omertas have been dealt with in, Speaking to Caesar after completing either, Caesar dies in any circumstance, except during his operation in. I am Villified, but no matter how many of them I kill they only stay hostile so long as I'm in combat with them. Always alone? There are very few ways but here a re a couple off the top of my head. Each action that gains Fame or Infamy is assigned a set value in the editor, which is added via script: Fame and Infamy (denoted 1 and 0 in the console) are earned by doing helpful or harmful deeds, respectively, to the faction. You can always try to wear a PG outfit and sneak in that way to the prison and talk to the leader in the Admin building. But their mines are good tho. But it is a difficult quest for low level characters. I never talk to Trudy, and don't even enter the saloon. #2 Silverio Dec 29, 2014 @ 5:10am Thanks for the quick response. He is a mild-mannered ex-sheriff who will engage in conversation with the player character. Convince Heck Gunderson against cutting off the food supply to the Strip (+12). Powder Gangers love to hold grudges. Huh. Specific consequences of reputation within towns include: Scripted instances of town Infamy include: Impressing the reclusive gun-toting tribe is an art. Unless this was patched in, then no. Trudy is good for food on hardcore and she can have a decent amount of caps. Flatter Caesar by asking how to serve "the mighty Caesar" further when talking again after dealing with the, Teach Decanus Severus at Cottonwood Cove how to make, Defeat the two slaves in the arena during. ), So I've always sort of helped Ringo out in this mission but this time I decided to help the Powder Gangers. Carter New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. They're hostile to the player for the most part, so they're just asking to get popped. What is the advantage of helping Good Springs? Ask questions of Pete about Boomer history and comment negatively on each of them (-1). The largest post-nuclear nation state offers plenty of opportunities for good people to shine and brutal retaliation to its enemies. There's absolutely no reason to be friendly with the Powder Gangers since their quests are pretty awful, and you don't get any decent swag. Both Jacob Hoff and Bill Ronte were successfully cured of, or convinced to seek help for, their additions (+12). With every faction except Goodsprings, the Boomers and Novac, reputation will reset to neutral. The player character may receive discounts with merchants, provoke attacks from hired thugs, or simply be treated differently. At the beginning of the game, i sided with the Town Of Goodsprings against the powder gangers and everytime i try to go to the NCRCF i get shot at and i cant ally with them. The ranges of reputation vary by faction. [Non-game 1] Given the fact that the convicts working on the railroads were provided with high explosives in their work and were predominantly violent criminals jailed for serious crimes, this created ripe conditions for a prison break. He can unlock the door for a price of 100 caps. If loading a save is not an option, there are only 3 quests which let you gain Novac fame in order to get back to . So I am now more or less around Novac, the NCR has been put to the task of keeping Primm in check and I have unfortunately missed out on going to the NCRCF before handling the Powder Gangers at Goodsprings. White Glove Society attire is special, since it masks reputations with six factions; the five mentioned above and the Society. You get a lot more caps if doing the Goodsprings side, 100 caps initially, 150 when you meet Ringo at Crimson Caravan. Also I tried a disguise but it didnt work. You can get infamy with the Powder Gangers, and if have a mod that fixes the bug where the Powder Gangers faction wasn't given evil karma, you can steal from them without a karma penalty. Only chance probably is to use stealthboys to get to Eddie. fast-traveling away from HELIOS One after activating ARCHIMEDES before the notification of NCR Infamy has time to pop up), the player character will not receive the boost/penalty until the next time one travels to that location. Camp Forlorn Hope morale was rebuilt fully before agreeing to stage the attack on Nelson with Major Polatli (+12). Also, be aware that karma is largely irrelevant in New Vegas and that it is infamy with specific factions which gets you shunned by them. Great for those who prefer to sling their dynamite than getting up close and personal. make sure you get the booted quest that that will change your reputation to mercifull thug (dunno if they will stop attacking you tho). Mercy killing the NCR trooper hostages (+2). What I always do is during Ghost Town Gunfight, I only kill 3 or 4 of the Powder Gangers. Hostile is different. The Followers respond well to charity and acting in the interests of the common wastelander. Helping the town is the more moral choice. First time through if you shot at me you died so obviously I wasnt friendly with the gangers. Towns will never be permanently hostile to the player character; leaving the town for three days and returning should remove any hostility. Shunned basically means they don't want anything to do with you, but not more than that. Resolved: Release in which this issue/RFE has been resolved. Similar to this, one can "sit" in one of the outhouses in the southwest corner from outside the fence, effectively teleporting them inside the facility. I did the same when I reached novac and got shunned and now everyone attacks me on sight. For more information, please see our Assignment is the defense of New Vegas. ? You've actually got to betray them to get that outcome. - posted in New Vegas Discussion: So I became Shunned to the NCR and expected that the next time I ran into one of them I would immediately be attacked, but to my surprise I wasnt. The following is based on Fallout: New Vegas cut content. What do I do now? Through the back door of the visitor's center, the player character can enter the main prison yard. However, he will continue in casual dialogue as long as one has a good reputation with the gang. So I became Shunned to the NCR and expected that the next time I ran into one of them I would immediately be attacked, but to my surprise I wasnt. Successfully assisted Hardin in replacing Elder McNamara as Elder of the Mojave Brotherhood of Steel with himself, and therefore did not assist McNamara in his own tasks (+4). I don't think they attack you until you've been villified. NCR hit squads will warn the player character to change their reputation with NCR within three days or they will come after them, trying to kill the player character. They disappear completely from the storyline after the opening area. I mean disappeared too. Blew up the monorail, but failed to frame a. Powder Ganger Simple: A simple t-shirt and jumpsuit combo. Wearing faction armor can be used to kill members of an opposing faction without gaining Infamy with that faction. -Find Vault 19 and complete the quest there. Overview Wiping out every Powder Ganger in the facility may cause a prospector to appear here and remain indefinitely. Let or help the NCR wipe out the Great Khans without persuading them to release the hostages first (+4). It's true that Powder Gangers are very useless. On the road northwest of the facility are six signs that read "NOTICE: Hitch hikers may be escaped prisoners" with the, The NCR Correctional Facility is based on the real life location of, Each of the Powder Ganger snipers have an entry for. They pray on caravans and travellers, including you. Valve Corporation. The leader of the local Powder Gangers, Eddie, will be killed if one sides with the NCR or can be saved if they help the Powder Gangers. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. Quests Exploring the Mojave: Southern New Vegas 44 Cottonwood Cove 45 Exploring the Mojave: Western New Vegas 46 Exploring the Mojave: From Westside to Jacobstown 47 Jacobstown 48 Finishing the Outskirts and Claiming the Remnants Power Armor 49 Freeside Old Mormon Fort 50 Atomic Wrangler 51 The Kings School of Impersonation 52 The New Vegas Strip Since there really isn't anything left to do there after the battle, it couldn't hurt. Reputation will probably have reset from neutral to the proper standing. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Try it, its a broken quest btw even if you complete it and kill eddie at the last quest thingy "i fought the law" the quest will stay unresolved.. meyers will bug out and the radio message will say you failed :\. If Veronica had never been interacted with before becoming. Factions If any neutral (black in table above), but positive reputation holds the majority, followed by a 50, If any neutral (black in table above), but positive reputation holds the majority, the Legion will also provide various items within supply boxes outside of. I think you can also start Come Fly With Me just by entering the REPCONN Test Site, without talking to anyone in Novac. I think that the game would have been much better suited if they had replace all the Powder Gangers with random raiders, Eliminated their two missions or at least the option to side with them, and then spent the extra time fixing glitches in the game. No idea if that was really intended, but it feels like a bug. For example, if the player character wears Legion armor and kills an NCR soldier, Infamy will be gained, but will be reset to one's prior reputation upon the removal of the disguise. It may take a couple of times but I always do it if I start on the side of Goodsprings. Press J to jump to the feed. Originally, any faction member could be killed without loss of reputation, though only if the player character remained [HIDDEN] or in [CAUTION] for the kill without it progressing to [DANGER]. You have to be sneaking (crouched) and you have to be hidden (it'll say [HIDDEN] at the top of the screen when you're [HIDDEN],) to avoid gaining negative reputation with whatever faction you're stealing from. How do I do that? I killed some. Page 1 of 3 - Shunned with NCR but they still dont attack me? Later down the line you will be making amny choices that end up affecting your reputation with various factions. Or alienate them. As for the merchants in Goodsprings, I guess if you're ok with killing a doctor and a bartender for a 50% discount regular merchant, then go ahead. There is also a fridge, a Sunset Sarsaparilla vending machine, and a Nuka-Cola vending machine. The player character can also ignore Pearl's request. I wouldn't bother. If you help the Powder Gangers you get an easy source of explosives and reloading powder, a safe road to Primm, several easy starting missions to get you some caps, a discount in the Good Springs store, easy access to Meyers, etc. If you do it fast enough, normal dialogue will ensue and you can start I Fought The Law. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. If you acquired a "shunned" reputation with the Powder Gangers by completing the Ghost Town Gunfight, you will still be able to talk to Eddie in order to receive this quest but assaulting anyone in the prison or gaining another level of infamy will turn the Powder Gangers hostile upon your entrance. This was changed in the December 14, 2010 update. (Many cops in real life are facing the same judgement too.) If you help the Powder Gangers you get an easy source of explosives and reloading powder, a safe road to Primm, several easy starting missions to get you some caps, a discount in the Good Springs store, easy access to Meyers, etc. Ask questions of Pete about Boomer history and pass a skill check for each positive comment (+2 each). As part of the first quest mentioned above, an NCR hit squad will approach and warn to improve reputation with the NCR within three days. In the table below, these are colored green, black, and red respectively. Since I will now not be able to talk to Eddie to get to the stage where I can betray him by initiating the NCR attack, I was wondering if there is another chance to start the NCR attack on the facility. I think that may be by design. 1K. Rebuilding to a neutral reputation status (black on table above) will allow for Boone to be recruited as a companion again, despite his possible angered departure beforehand which caused him to leave. Donate doses of either Med-X, Fixer, RadAway (+1 per dose, up to +3 at a time if the maximum amount of multiple doses are given at once). The facility is also under observation from the. In both of these cases, the entrance remains locked from the inside, however. Lie to Heck Gunderson about who took Ted Gunderson when taking him back to Heck (+12). [1][2] The Powder Gangers became a scourge on the inhabitants of the region, attacking caravans along Interstate 15 and stealing supplies from settlers and workers. To exit the facility one must jump over the fence again using the guard tower stairs, use fast travel, or pickpocket the key from Dawes through the fence.